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Re: From Summer Time To Winter Time 8 years 2 months ago #13276

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Hands up who forgot anyway :blush: :behindsofa
"Because none of us are as cruel as all of us"
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Re: From Summer Time To Winter Time 8 years 2 months ago #13280

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I remembered after I got up does that count? hehehehehe :)
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Re: From Summer Time To Winter Time 8 years 2 months ago #13281

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depends if you got up :mad2 early or late :confused !!

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Re: From Summer Time To Winter Time 8 years 2 months ago #13284

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For years I have not figured out why the clocks are wound back during winter?
I can understand why it is done during summer and I'm all for it,actually I love it :).
But why on earth would you wound it back when sunlight is most needed during the winter months?.
For example with the clocks wound back,Sunrise is at 06:19 and Sunset at 17:01 (Sunset will be around 16:30 it the coming months).Wouldn't it be more productive if the sun was to set at 18:00 rather than 17:00?.
Now if you argue the point that we get extra sunlight early in the morning,I would ask you how productive is it?.
Today's Sunrise was at 06:19 what would have changed if it was at 07:19?.Most people when they get up in the morning they either go straight to work as for children straight to school spending a maximum of about 45 minutes at home.While at home how much energy was used to prepare for the day?,maybe a light bulb and a toast machine all for about 30 minutes.
Now lets have a look at the end of the day when the sun sets at 17:01.School is out the kids are at home,it is cold so you turn up the heating not wanting your children to catch a cold.The lights are on because it is dark etc making you use more energy than what would have been required if the sun had set at 18:00.Meanwhile most people work until 18:00 which means more energy is used for lighting and heating at their place of work etc.
I can understand that in some countries this might be necessary due to climate and type of work people do,but in Turkey I really think it is unnecessary.A couple of years ago Turkey was thinking of abolishing daylight saving which I thought was a great move but nothing has been said since the agreements made with Azerbaycan for natural gas.I guess the energy companies have the government by the balls on this issue :(
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Re: From Summer Time To Winter Time 8 years 2 months ago #13304

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Good point Tanju I'm with you especially for Turkey maybe winding the clocks back is a bad idea and we should use DST all year, but I was curious to find out more... I could try to seem really clever but
a) that's never gonna convince anyone here lol
b) I have to admit google and wiki were used to replace my addled brain :)

I'd always though it was something connected with either farmers(needing light in morning in the winter) or the war or both but I couldn't quite remember.....

So here are the times for sunrise sunset in the UK (couldn't find a table for Turkey)

Approaching the summer is where Daylight savings is implemented.....
Good idea 100% (we don't need or want sunrise at 5:53... too early...

25 Mar 2011 05:53 18:21 12h 28m 31s + 3m 58s 12:07 40.3° 149.172
26 Mar 2011 05:51 18:23 12h 32m 29s + 3m 57s 12:06 40.7° 149.216
Note: hours shift because clocks change forward 1 hour (See below table for details)
27 Mar 2011 06:48 19:25 12h 36m 26s + 3m 57s 13:06 41.1° 149.259


but then in winter we go back to the original time.... (before we used DST)
ok in the uk in october sunrise at 7:48 would be ok for me... lol...

29 Oct 2011 07:48 17:40 9h 51m 46s − 3m 39s 12:44 25.1° 148.605
Note: hours shift because clocks change backward 1 hour (See below table for details)
30 Oct 2011 06:50 16:38 9h 48m 07s − 3m 38s 11:44 24.8° 148.565
31 Oct 2011 06:51 16:36 9h 44m 31s − 3m 36s 11:44 24.5° 148.525


but if we look at normal (non DST) time for december jan if the clocks weren't wound back to normal time we would have sunrise at 9:06 .... urrrgh...

29 Dec 2011 08:06 15:59 7h 52m 35s + 44s 12:02 15.3° 147.113
30 Dec 2011 08:06 16:00 7h 53m 25s + 50s 12:03 15.4° 147.108
31 Dec 2011 08:06 16:01 7h 54m 21s + 56s 12:03 15.5° 147.104
1 Jan 2012 08:06 16:02 7h 55m 24s + 1m 02s 12:04 15.5° 147.100
2 Jan 2012 08:06 16:03 7h 56m 33s + 1m 08s 12:04 15.6° 147.098
3 Jan 2012 08:06 16:04 7h 57m 48s + 1m 14s 12:05 15.7° 147.096
4 Jan 2012 08:06 16:05 7h 59m 08s + 1m 20s 12:05 15.8° 147.095
5 Jan 2012 08:05 16:06 8h 00m 35s + 1m 26s 12:06 15.9° 147.095
6 Jan 2012 08:05 16:07 8h 02m 07s + 1m 32s 12:06 16.0° 147.096
7 Jan 2012 08:05 16:09 8h 03m 45s + 1m 37s 12:07 16.1° 147.098
8 Jan 2012 08:04 16:10 8h 05m 29s + 1m 43s 12:07 16.3° 147.101



Two conclusions we can draw from this are

a) Even though it had beed suggested by that smartass Benjamin Franklin (early to be early to rise makes a man healthy wealthy and wise)

You can blame the Germans for it

Starting on 30 April 1916, Germany and its World War I allies were the first to use DST (German: Sommerzeit) as a way to conserve coal during wartime. Britain, most of its allies, and many European neutrals soon followed suit. Russia and a few other countries waited until the next year and the United States adopted it in 1918. Since then, the world has seen many enactments, adjustments, and repeals.[27]

and b)
we are lucky living in Turkey :)
Just imagine sunrise at 8:00 and sunset at 4:00
(or to be honest even worse if we kept DST and didn't wind the clocks back sunrise at 9:00 and sunset at 5:00 .. urrrgh)

So many times when I was commuting to work in England I would leave the house in pitch darkness scrape the ice off the windscreen and get into my cold cold transit van.. work in front of a computer all day in a stupid office ... then leave work in pitch darkness, scrape the ice off the windscreen and get into my cold cold transit van with my hat and my gloves and my fingerless gloves (well it was an old transit.. heater took a while to work...) ... and go back home....

How depressing is that....

At least I was lucky there were windows to the outside world in my office so I could at least remember what the sun was even if I couldn't really experience it...

Funnily enough I don't miss those days much... :)
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Re: From Summer Time To Winter Time 7 years 10 months ago #16293

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As of the 25.03.2012 Daylight saving comes into effect with the clocks being wound 1 hour forward.
The good news is the Energy Minister has put in a draft for the time to be Standard all year round on the grounds that more energy will be saved so there will be no clock rewinding during winter!!
Hope this developement is approved as I do believe it will save energy reference my post www.antalyacentral.com/index.php?option=...144&Itemid=402#13284
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